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[personal profile] ladderax
IDK if anyone else thinks this would even be a remotely good idea, but here goes:

Sometimes I find it inspiring to try to engage with a trope that, for whatever reason, turns me off, or something otherwise popular that I am kind of lukewarm about. It forces me to think—do I not like this trope because I haven’t considered all of the possibilities? Is there something about the way I’ve seen it handled that just doesn’t ping my interest? Am I not giving it a fair chance? Can I play with it/subvert it?

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with disliking tropes, just like there’s nothing wrong with liking them. I don’t think everyone has to give everything a chance. But I am wondering how many people out there find the idea of a meme dedicated to grappling with ideas you hate/dislike/are ambivalent about/just think “WTF is the big deal???” in any way stimulating. You would simply pick one (or more) tropes and write, draw, or—basically just do something with it.



I realize that this could be a sticky subject, and that some people might not be comfortable declaring their dislike for popular or controversial tropes. So I would suggest the following:

1) it’s not necessary to say anything about how you actually feel about the trope, or why. We don’t need to know if you’ve read 100 high school AUs and loathed each one or if you’ve never touched a single one out of disinterest. Just create something. Also, it should be clear that choosing a trope doesn’t mean that you’ve never liked anything that’s been written with it before. On that note, do you think it would be a good idea to make the meme anon (or anon optional)?
2) Although (I would argue) funny and satirical elements are fine, I also would hope there’d be a rule against trope- or kink-bashing, and there should definitely be a rule against parodying individual fics/artworks (unless it’s with the creator’s permission). This is obviously a fine line here, and one person’s respectful satire is another person’s bashing. But respect is key—the guiding idea is “give it a chance”, not “make it and everyone who likes it look ridiculous”.
3) Somewhat related—I would probably not recommend picking a trope that you find triggering, morally reprehensible, squicky, or just 100% boring. Ideal would probably be something that you sort of “love to hate” or wonder what the appeal is or just don’t think you’ve ever seen it done in a way that fully “sells” you on it. Do a lot of people have tropes that they feel this way about? I personally don’t read high school AUs as a rule—it’s not that I think they’ll be bad; they’re just not high on my list of priorities. But I’ve also wondered what my take on the trope might be like.

And questions:

1) How common would the tropes need to be? Should there be a predetermined list, or prompting, or could it just be a free-for-all?
2) What is the difference between kinks and tropes? Is there one? I would say that kinks count as long as they’re also plot-related…does that make any sense? So roleplaying, hatesex, and genderswap count, but cock rings and docking don’t…
3) Would it be a good idea to make the meme anon or anon-optional? That way, if you’re worried that someone will see you writing about a trope that they’ve also written about, they won’t have to think “Hey, but I thought you liked my military superpowered catboy kidfic!”
4) Would anyone be interested in hosting such a thing? And when would be a good time? I know there’s the Romance Fest going on, and Reverse Bang is in progress too.

Date: 2012-04-11 09:55 pm (UTC)
annejumps: (Default)
From: [personal profile] annejumps
It's an interesting idea.
A trope can be a kink and a kink can be a trope, but they're not the same thing, I don't think.

Date: 2012-04-12 12:54 am (UTC)
bottledminx: (classy stutter)
From: [personal profile] bottledminx
YES DO IT.
I love this idea. I recently read a knotting fic written by someone who has *masses* of talent and who did it as a fun test for herself. It ended up being a lovely little thing and I think she pushed herself a little to write it. <3
This could give great opportunity for authors to grow and try things outside their comfort zone, AND it could give some rare kinks/tropes/pairings new life.

Date: 2012-04-13 08:39 am (UTC)
lezzerlee: Cat with glasses (Default)
From: [personal profile] lezzerlee
I really like this idea! Bug me about this on twitter when I'm on again. I'm too tired to actually think of answers right now.

Date: 2012-04-20 11:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] krytella
Sounds like fun! I think there are some tropes that are also kinks, but definitely not all kinks are tropes. I'd say knotting is a trope, because it's a specific type of AU (and afaik at this point unique to fanfiction!), but something like D/s isn't, even though it could involve the plot of the story. IMO some kinds of genderswap are tropes, like genderswap AUs and someone having their sex swapped suddenly by tech/magic, but gender play and crossgender shapeshifting aren't tropes to me. But I would go along with your definition.

Maybe there could be a call for people to submit tropes, and the person running it could compile a list? It wouldn't have to include all tropes ever but would be whichever ones are most popular or interesting to participants.

As a starting point, someone made an epic list in 2006 of kinks, tropes, and clichés:
http://fanlore.org/wiki/List_of_Fan-fiction_Kinks,_Tropes,_and_Clich%C3%A9s

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